Race Fuel prices

[73 Sanger Flat]

does anyone have a better price on the fuel that I posted about ? before my thread get all jacked up ..

need prices for
VP 110  I paid 422.32 for a drum
C 114    I paid 672.00 for a drum , It went up $20.00 from my original post
C116      Have not bought any , just need a price ..

I already bought two drums, but will need more soon .. Picking up one more drum next week

One good thing i found out , is the rperson I picked the fuel up from  in Granbury normally keeps a pretty good stock of VP fuel on hand ..

 

[Knotty Girl]

does anyone have a better price on the fuel that I posted about ? before my thread get all jacked up ..

need prices for
VP 110  I paid 422.32 for a drum
C 114    I paid 672.00 for a drum , It went up $20.00 from my original post
C116      Have not bought any , just need a price ..

I already bought two drums, but will need more soon .. Picking up one more drum next week

One good thing i found out , is the rperson I picked the fuel up from  in Granbury normally keeps a pretty good stock of VP fuel on hand ..

I'll just come fill up at your house.  :smile16:

 

[73 Sanger Flat]

No problem Henry , just bring some cash ..

Right now I have 125 gallons and I need to pick up two more drums .. Half of this is for Galen's boat .. He burns the really good stuff .. I am poor and have to burn the 110 stuff ..  It sure will limit how much I go out this year..

 

[Patchman]

That's why I won't build a race gas motor! I'm stuck with good ol slow super unleaded! :smile25:

 

[customtouch]

does anyone have a better price on the fuel that I posted about ? before my thread get all jacked up ..
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need prices for
VP 110  I paid 422.32 for a drum
C 114    I paid 672.00 for a drum , It went up $20.00 from my original post
C116      Have not bought any , just need a price ..

I already bought two drums, but will need more soon .. Picking up one more drum next week

One good thing i found out , is the rperson I picked the fuel up from  in Granbury normally keeps a pretty good stock of VP fuel on hand ..

Sorry Billy!!!  :smile19: I hope it doesn't get jacked up because it would probably be my fault. I thought I was posting a joke and wasn't trying to start a political debate.

Getting back on track though, I am still curios if the drums are dated and what the shelf life is. I would hate to spend that kind of money on gas and it already be bad, go bad before it was used, or worse damage an engine because it was old. Almost everything has an expiration date and there must be some way to monitor it unless it just doesn't go bad like regular gas. I have not had to deal with it before but I will be (hopefully soon) and I was hoping someone here would know.

 

[73 Sanger Flat]

Hey no problem . I did ask the guy I picked the fuel up from if the drums are dated and he told me they are not dated ..I asked how I know the fuel was good , he response was that VP fuel just moves to fast and does not just  sit around.. I asked him how long it would be good after I open it , he said just make sure the drum is sealed good  ,then  it will last a long time , but if you do not keep it sealed tight , then it will evaporate out very quick ..

One of the guys that goes to the river with us has been running on the same drum for at least two years , maybe three years that I know of .

I have used one drum for two years and I could not tell anything was wrong with it , that was when I first bought my boat and was having engine issues and could not burn it all the first year

The racing fuel is so much cleaner than pump gas and will not varnish up like pump gas ..  If you spill it on your hand ,your hand will not stink after it evaporate like pump gas ..

I would not be worried about running race gas for two years out of the same drum .. ..

I have to pick up another drum next week so  I will ask the guy about the expiration after the drum is open ..

Just make sure the drum has the seals on it before you buy it .. The seals are on there good .. You have to peel them off with plyers ..

 

[EOSpeed]

ONE DRUM V-P C-16 700.00 THAT IS TO DAM MUCH.
                                                          THANKS HEAD NIG
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[customtouch]

Hey no problem . I did ask the guy I picked the fuel up from if the drums are dated and he told me they are not dated ..I asked how I know the fuel was good , he response was that VP fuel just moves to fast and does not just  sit around.. I asked him how long it would be good after I open it , he said just make sure the drum is sealed good  ,then  it will last a long time , but if you do not keep it sealed tight , then it will evaporate out very quick ..

One of the guys that goes to the river with us has been running on the same drum for at least two years , maybe three years that I know of .

I have used one drum for two years and I could not tell anything was wrong with it , that was when I first bought my boat and was having engine issues and could not burn it all the first year

The racing fuel is so much cleaner than pump gas and will not varnish up like pump gas ..  If you spill it on your hand ,your hand will not stink after it evaporate like pump gas ..

I would not be worried about running race gas for two years out of the same drum .. ..

I have to pick up another drum next week so  I will ask the guy about the expiration after the drum is open ..

Just make sure the drum has the seals on it before you buy it .. The seals are on there good .. You have to peel them off with plyers ..

Thanks for the info Billy and for asking, although he sounds a little evasive to me. "A long time" means different things to different people. I have been told that heat and humidity are the biggest problems to the life of the fuel. I was also told that when the drum starts getting a little low that it is a good idea to split it into smaller containers like five and ten gall jugs. The theory was that there would not be the huge ratio of air to fuel in the drum and there for reducing the rate of evaporation and the chances of humidity contamination. It made sense to me but like I said, I have no real experience with long term storage of it.

 

[73 Sanger Flat]

ONE DRUM V-P C-16 700.00 THAT IS TO DAM MUCH.
                                                          THANKS HEAD NIG
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EO -- The C16 is for Galen , can you get a better price for him ?? ..

 

[3boatpaul]

ONE DRUM V-P C-16 700.00 THAT IS TO DAM MUCH.
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  crazy.gif that is the reason i just changed over to e-85---------------paying around 3.36 a gallon..

 

[HellinnFrnt]

That's why I won't build a race gas motor! I'm stuck with good ol slow super unleaded! :smile25:

That tub wouldn't be any faster with six race motors in it.......  :smile26:

 

[Patchman]

That's why I won't build a race gas motor! I'm stuck with good ol slow super unleaded! :smile25:

That tub wouldn't be any faster with six race motors in it.......  :smile26:

Took you long enough! hurry.gif :smile16:

 

[Carnivalride]

ONE DRUM V-P C-16 700.00 THAT IS TO DAM MUCH.
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  crazy.gif that is the reason i just changed over to e-85---------------paying around 3.36 a gallon..

Paul do you feel E85 is comparable to C-16? Evevrything I've read and figured has shown the octane to be lower but because of using more and the colling effect of the ethanol you could run more compression or boost than the octane alone in a gasoline would allow but I've never heard of E85 being equal to C-16. Just asking for your thoughts not try to start a fight.

I already know where Billy stands on this being back on C-12..........

 

[Dry Dock]

Some good info on choosing right race gas and octane.

http://www.dragzine.com/tech-stories/fuel-cooling-ignition-tech/how-to-pick-the-right-racing-fuel-with-vp-racing-fuels-2/

 

[galen]

VP heartland told me in sealed drum will last 5 years. I have a drum of C16 that I have had for 2 1/2 years and still looks and smells like the day I bought it, I blend it with premium for the Belvedere.  I do have my fuel stored at a constant temp I would think temp change and storage environment may affect it. The reason I buy it in Texas is 200.00 higher per drum up here. I was quoted 853.47 for 54 gallons of C14. Never thought I would be happy to pay 650.00 and it gives me an excuse to come down.  When this engine wears out I am thinking procharger and just drop the boost to run pump gas.

 

[EOSpeed]

BILLY PAUL JUST GOT THE C-16 FOR HIS RACE CAR. HE IS HARD ON IT. 468 IN A 3025 POUND CAR THAT GOES 5.30 OR FASTER.

 

[galen]

As far as E85 on Billys engine it would have been fine in my opinion. Honestly it was just errors on our part. carb, fuel volume, timing. Fuel volume being the main issue after talking to BLP and Mark Sullens. Leaning out on the big end. coupled with to much timing. Detonation killed it. E85 works when set up right, just look at EO and Jim. 

 

[jimsplace]

Thanks Galen. 
Knock on wood, I've had good luck with the E85 and haven't really spent a great deal of time tuning it.
I don't think E85 is a wonder fuel that out performs some of the race gases, but I also don't believe race gases out perform E85 enough for me to justify spending the extra money.
Unless an engine is set up specifically a particular Race gas and you are willing to spend the time tuning the engine to take advantage of it, it doesn't make sense for me to spend the extra money.
My boat is a lake boat.

Neither race gas nor E85 benefits many engines unless they are built with those fuels in mind.  There is always some cross over, but not a lot.
In other words, C-16, E85, AV gas or most  higher octane fuels aren't going to be beneficial if the motor has a compression ratio of 8.75, unless it's blown.

I've run both AV gas and E85 with good luck, but I don't run on the edge either.
I consider both as a poor mans race gas, with potential.
        :smile17:

 

[3boatpaul]

As far as E85 on Billys engine it would have been fine in my opinion. Honestly it was just errors on our part. carb, fuel volume, timing. Fuel volume being the main issue after talking to BLP and Mark Sullens. Leaning out on the big end. coupled with to much timing. Detonation killed it. E85 works when set up right, just look at EO and Jim.

  this is the answer---------- fuel supply being lean + timing .

  CARNIVALRIDE------- no prob. what i meant to infer is that the price of race gas keep's going thur the roof.
  i was useing 116 as the example. i have been useing 114, with a real soft tune on the motor, But the last drum i got cost me $675. and knowing that it only keep's going up i made the move to e85.  i am running a mfi fi bird that i had matched and set up with a large enough mec. pump to run e85.  just  trying it first to keep from going to meth. use to run it year's ago. great  stuff but just a pain in the butt to use.

 

[Shrek]

Here's an article that has a lot of good info on pump gas, race fuel and ethanol fuels.
It was intended for 2 stroke bike riders but there is still a lot to learned from this article.

http://klemmvintage.com/gasolines.htm